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Sarah's avatar

So extremely true. In my experience, every church situation that was particularly bad and narcissistic involved the outsourcing of shepherding and the redefinition of what it means to pastor.

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Karis's avatar

Ooooohhh boyyyyyy this gets me fired up like nothing else.

Four years ago I was a part of a church where I was pastored for the first time in. My. Life.

And I was in my thirties and grew up in church and never departed.

It’s absolutely egregious.

Thank you so much for this.

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Sandra S's avatar

This really resonated and saddened me as I ponder on the damage and wounding when a pastor doesn't pastor his flock.

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Karis's avatar

Okay - update- not like nothing else. That was a bit dramatic 😂 There are many many things that I am passionate about but this is a big one.

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Andrea's avatar

One hundred million percent accurate.

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Allan Morton Jr.'s avatar

Excellent, Ryan. So, so good.

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Young Woong Yi's avatar

Spot on.

Do you think the same critique exists for pastors who may excel in shepherding and pastoral care but lack in administrative & preaching ability?

Many stories of people’s hurts from pastors come from the type of pastor you’ve described here (which is so valid), but I wonder if there are unheard stories of people who have experienced hurt or simply lack of spiritual direction from pastors who I described above.

Thoughts on this?

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Ryan Ramsey's avatar

I certainly think for pastors who work for traditional churches or institutions, a basic level of competence in teaching and administration is ideal. But no, I would not say the impact or harm is “equal”. However, I don’t place the same weight on the value of preaching as many evangelical churches would, so I may not share many of those priorities.

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Carl Binger LMHC's avatar

So many gems in here I can't keep count. Bless you brother.

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Sarah Harrison's avatar

excellent

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